We have to wait until Monday to hear if Bud Black will remain as Manager. Sandy is as charming as ever when answering this question. "What part of Monday don't you understand?" Next Wednesday for sure. Wait didn't we just all agree on Monday?
Wally's resignation didn't surprise Sandy, he had gotten wind of it. He was surprised by the timing, he thought it would be after the season. From Wally's stand point and the Padres stand point Wally made the right decision.
They weren't on a different page entirely from Wally's stand point they were on a different part of the page. These metaphors are great, they explain so much.
Sandy pontificates while he reviews the history of hitting coaches in San Diego. I think he's just stalling now.
When they hired Wally they needed a short term bump and that's what they got. Merv Rettenmund wasn't a scapegoat.
The future of the Padres is the farm system.
The farm system teaches and rewards a high OBP.
"To have one approach to get to the cusp of the Major Leagues and now they are attempting to make the most difficult transition in their careers -- to be subjected an entirely different approach -- from an organizational approach it is totally unacceptable and can't happen"
They have an organizational consistency from beginning to end.
The philosophy we have here is different from other places in that the Padres are committed to executing the philosophy.
It was best that the Padres and Wally parted ways. Everyone has to buy in to the philosophy.
Wally was not a temporary fix as a hitting coach. Wally is not fully a disciple of the Padres approach. They gave him an opportunity to evolve.
Alderson doesn't think Kouzmanoff has flourished because he has a .309 OBP.
The top three run producing teams in baseball have the highest OBP. The Padres have the lowest or the next lowest. The Padres need to get better and nobody is blaming Wally because the talent needs to be there. Wally wasn't making a smooth transition for players from the Minors to the Majors.
Kouzmanoff swings at more pitches than anybody in the National League. He wants to see Kouz make modest changes. Kouz still swings at the inside fastball off the plate, which is the problem. If he stopped swinging at that his OBP would rise.
"Resigning six days in advance and taking a few shots in the meantime -- going into the clubhouse and doing what? Teaching a philosophy that we don't accept or subscribe to? He put us in a very difficult decision."
The reason why he wasn't allowed to finish out the season was because he went public.
Sandy worries that communication between the Minor league and Major league system is nonexistent.
If there is anything positive to come out of this season, is that they have the opportunity to have Minor league players to play in the Majors. The young players get to experience the communication and philosophy.
If we are all on the same page there is consistency in message and there is also access between the majors and minors.
If Grady Fuson believes that someone else in the organization doesn't believe in the organizational approach there can be friction. Obviously that's what developed.
The friction was between Grady Fuson and Wally Joyner, but it's broader than that.
If you don't buy into the system you probably shouldn't be here.
Alderson thinks it would be a good idea to interview each of the coaches to see if they buy into the system.
Perhaps there will be more coaching changes.
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I am on the side of blowing up this entire organization.
Wally shouldn’t have quit and wasn’t a very good hitting coach. Sandy is an arrogant prick.
they just have a tendency of trading away young guys that have a lot of talent and then go on to put up good numbers and then they sign older veterans and it never seems to work out for them
as far as Edmonds go, that jerk needs to give us our money back… he was taking pills that fatigued him and then when he gets to chicago he just learns that those are causing it and he stops taking them and play better. I seriously think he did it on purpose… no one wanted to sign him at his price so he used the Padres to get his price marked down then go to the cubs… he should have to pay the padres back i think
What about Wolf, Maddux, Clark, Loretta / Mirabelli, Linebrink, and Eaton?
Just off the top of my head. All of the above are veterans the team traded for prospects.
Of course there have been a handful of trades that gave up prospects, but sometimes it makes sense to trade young players to fill holes.
But it isn’t like the team’s mantra has been to go after vets. 3 of the 4 current team leaders were acquired either by the draft or as prospects (Peavy, Gonzalez, and Hoffman).
He can finally clean up the major league part of the organization and get all these guys to buy in. The idea that the major league coaching staff doesn’t buy into what they preach in the minors is ludicrous. The only way to make a philosophy work is to get everyone to buy into it. If you have a bunch of guys trying to go in opposite directions the only way you are going to win is if you get lucky.
without having a charismatic, intelligent, motivated leader to sway the masses?
Forcing your philsophy down peoples’ throats Marine style gets you nowhere.Bud is obviously a puppet, maybe Wally wouldn’t be one. Sandy is obviously not the guy to lead the troops. We’ve got to find a leader to make ALL OF US believe. From the coaches to the players to the fans.
I would venture that 75% of the young men and women
who enlist in the marines need a philosophy shoved down their throats. And most of them realized it was either enlist in the armed forces or spend the rest of my life in this little podunk town flipping burgers. In the civilian world, one uses honey instead of vinegar, to attract people to their philosophies.
I’m not blaming this season on Sandy. I’m just saying that he does not have the social skills to lead this team to the promised land. I count on the field general to rally the troops. And Bud Black isn’t the right guy for the job.
Because the 2000's Padres aren't the 1980's A's...
I don’t know enough about the staff that Alderson had 25 years ago to say exactly, but I do know that when one of your coaches resigns a week before the season is over and then makes a big stink, publicly, about the way that the organization conducts itself internally, that it doesn’t reflect well on the man in charge.
Sandy should be able to, at the very least, avoid having to deal with a disgruntled employee with 5,000,000 people listening in on the conversation. Don’t you think? Or maybe I’m wrong.
I’m with Sandy. I haven’t lost faith in the Friar! I think the plan that he has in place will ultimately turn this team into a perennial contender. I’m just saying, if you’re going to act like an asshole, do it behind closed doors. Nobody cares how smart he is, or how many degrees he has. What people do care about is winning.
And how the hell are you going to win when Harry has no effin’ clue. Blame Bud Black!
Sandy Alderson probably sounded smart when he built the A’s in world champs and he sounds smart now as he starts to build the Padres. I can live with that. He shoved philosophies down their throats and it eventually worked, his doing the same here and I have no reason to believe it won’t work here too. This year’s team is not Sandy’s team, it is a remnant of a bygone Padres era.
I am on the side of blowing up this entire organization.
Wally shouldn’t have quit and wasn’t a very good hitting coach. Sandy is an arrogant prick.
We all lose.
Winfield's Ghost - September 24, 2008
I think Sandy is a D BAG
i hate the guy now more than ever
also i wonder what kind of crappy decisions they are gonna make this winter
probably trade away talent and get more old useless guys… i mean veterans.
been there done that
C8LIN B - September 24, 2008
"probably trade away talent and get more old useless guys… i mean veterans. "
Who are you referring to?
Melvin Nieves - September 24, 2008
edmonds?
Sam (sdsuaztec4) - September 24, 2008
it was no one in particular really
they just have a tendency of trading away young guys that have a lot of talent and then go on to put up good numbers and then they sign older veterans and it never seems to work out for them
as far as Edmonds go, that jerk needs to give us our money back… he was taking pills that fatigued him and then when he gets to chicago he just learns that those are causing it and he stops taking them and play better. I seriously think he did it on purpose… no one wanted to sign him at his price so he used the Padres to get his price marked down then go to the cubs… he should have to pay the padres back i think
C8LIN B - September 24, 2008
What about Wolf, Maddux, Clark, Loretta / Mirabelli, Linebrink, and Eaton?
Just off the top of my head. All of the above are veterans the team traded for prospects.
Of course there have been a handful of trades that gave up prospects, but sometimes it makes sense to trade young players to fill holes.
But it isn’t like the team’s mantra has been to go after vets. 3 of the 4 current team leaders were acquired either by the draft or as prospects (Peavy, Gonzalez, and Hoffman).
Melvin Nieves - September 25, 2008
I can't decide who's side I'm on anymore
I just want everybody to get along!
jbox - September 24, 2008
Yes. Yes. And yes.
Winfield's Ghost - September 24, 2008
No. No. And no.
Dex - September 24, 2008
All three of you are wrong
Just dead wrong
Axion - September 25, 2008
I've listened to it twice now
And I’m coming around to Sandy’s side.
That last question – “Do you think your Major League coaches buy into the philosophy?” and Sandy’s answer of “Good question” speaks volumes.
Monday is going to be bloody.
Winfield's Ghost - September 24, 2008
Or Wednesday
What party of Monday don’t you understand?
jbox - September 24, 2008
personally
i don’t understand the M
C8LIN B - September 24, 2008
I'm so used to typing "Party"
It’s a lifestyle thing.
jbox - September 24, 2008
I think this season is a blessing for Sandy
He can finally clean up the major league part of the organization and get all these guys to buy in. The idea that the major league coaching staff doesn’t buy into what they preach in the minors is ludicrous. The only way to make a philosophy work is to get everyone to buy into it. If you have a bunch of guys trying to go in opposite directions the only way you are going to win is if you get lucky.
Wonko - September 24, 2008
How do you get everyone to buy into a philosophy
without having a charismatic, intelligent, motivated leader to sway the masses?
Forcing your philsophy down peoples’ throats Marine style gets you nowhere.Bud is obviously a puppet, maybe Wally wouldn’t be one. Sandy is obviously not the guy to lead the troops. We’ve got to find a leader to make ALL OF US believe. From the coaches to the players to the fans.
The Kipper - September 24, 2008
i believe in buddy
i mean come on, look at that stache! those stern eyes. that says either “leader” or “have to poop, please take picture”

justdave - September 24, 2008
Looks like a cop
Who’s about to write you a ticket or give you a lapdance
Axion - September 25, 2008
Because he's the boss.
“I’m sorry sir, I won’t do what you ask. Tell more jokes and I’ll think about it.”
Melvin Nieves - September 24, 2008
"Forcing your philsophy down peoples’ throats Marine style gets you nowhere."
Seems to work kinda good for the Marines.
Also, Barack Obama hopefully will be busy next season, so he can’t be the new CEO.
Axion - September 25, 2008
I would venture that 75% of the young men and women
who enlist in the marines need a philosophy shoved down their throats. And most of them realized it was either enlist in the armed forces or spend the rest of my life in this little podunk town flipping burgers. In the civilian world, one uses honey instead of vinegar, to attract people to their philosophies.
I’m not blaming this season on Sandy. I’m just saying that he does not have the social skills to lead this team to the promised land. I count on the field general to rally the troops. And Bud Black isn’t the right guy for the job.
The Kipper - September 25, 2008
So explain to me
Why his management style worked with the 1980s A’s and doesn’t work with the 2000s Padres
Wonko - September 25, 2008
Because the 2000's Padres aren't the 1980's A's...
I don’t know enough about the staff that Alderson had 25 years ago to say exactly, but I do know that when one of your coaches resigns a week before the season is over and then makes a big stink, publicly, about the way that the organization conducts itself internally, that it doesn’t reflect well on the man in charge.
Sandy should be able to, at the very least, avoid having to deal with a disgruntled employee with 5,000,000 people listening in on the conversation. Don’t you think? Or maybe I’m wrong.
I’m with Sandy. I haven’t lost faith in the Friar! I think the plan that he has in place will ultimately turn this team into a perennial contender. I’m just saying, if you’re going to act like an asshole, do it behind closed doors. Nobody cares how smart he is, or how many degrees he has. What people do care about is winning.
And how the hell are you going to win when Harry has no effin’ clue. Blame Bud Black!
The Kipper - September 25, 2008
The comment above makes no sense
I have chosen to forget that I ever read it.
Sandy Alderson probably sounded smart when he built the A’s in world champs and he sounds smart now as he starts to build the Padres. I can live with that. He shoved philosophies down their throats and it eventually worked, his doing the same here and I have no reason to believe it won’t work here too. This year’s team is not Sandy’s team, it is a remnant of a bygone Padres era.
Wonko - September 25, 2008
When you start shoving ideas down peoples throats
they start to ridicule you and your ideas. Wrong?
The Kipper - September 25, 2008
If that's true
Then how did the A’s ever win in 1989? Weren’t they tired of the having ideas shoved down their throats from Sandy for 8 years?
Wonko - September 25, 2008
OOOOOOOH
maybe we can get Matt Millen!!
i heard he’s looking for work.
RevRun wouldn’t even have to get a new bag to wear on his head…
justdave - September 24, 2008
I think the Raiders already claimed him.
Wonko - September 25, 2008
The Philosophy
anyone seen the movie The Wave ?
Sam (sdsuaztec4) - September 24, 2008
all the talk of the organizations philosophy
really makes Alderson sound like a cult leader, add that to his dirty jeweler appearance and i just want to punch the guy
C8LIN B - September 24, 2008
That was good times
My only issue is that they won’t announce who’s head’s in the basket on Monday. They’ll wait ’til Tuesday. Just because.
Now I can’t wait for next Wednesday’s report.
Axion - September 25, 2008
Thursday it is then...
maybe
The Kipper - September 25, 2008
Sandy sounds like a prick
but he is the CEO, and the job of the CEO is to provide FOCUS. Not make friends. That is KT’s job.
Sammy G - September 25, 2008
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