Gaslamp Ball

They faxed Rick Thurman and KT personally called Trevor

What do you guys want? For KT to have flown to Puerto Rico and personally told him?

How about give him a time limit instead of just pulling it?

That seems like it would be fair to both sides.

It was on the table for over a month.....

And?

What’s the harm in giving him some warning that you’re pulling it?

It's just common sense that it wasn't going to be on the table forever

I’m pretty sure that Rick Thurman, being a agent and all, knew of the ramifications of not responding. You are making it out like Trevor and Thurman have zero idea of the workings and process of contract negotiations. They know how this works, they don’t need a “warning” they knew exactly what was going to happen

Professional courtesy

Did the Padres get notification that Trevor was filing for free agency instead of taking the offer, or did they learn like we did?

taking the offer

or acknowledging it and maybe negotiating. Something.

That's the thing

They didn’t even acknowledge the offer. Hoffman personally requested an audience with John Moores at twhich Thurman would be present. Whether he knew it or not, this is NOT something that an owner deals with, especially one with other issues to deal with. But I’m pretty sure they knew that would piss SA off.

Trevor should have signed it

assuming he was okay with the money, which I’m guessing he was. I think he was holding out in an effort to put pressure on Moores to talk to him, which totally backfired.

Ah

Now we’re getting somewhere. I’ll admit that SA over-reacted. BUT BUT BUT It should never have gotten that far. BUT FOR Trevor’s and Thurman’s shenanigans, Trevor would have been a Padre in 2009.

Yeah

all it would take would be for Moores to either talk to him or say “I’m not talking to you” so Trevor could make his decision one way or another and that’s how the Padres should have handled it. Then they could say “he’s not talking to you and we’ll either need to start negotiating or for you to make a decision this week”.

I've said it before

and I’m sure I’ll say it again, but two people really screwed up in this: Trevor’s agent(s) and Sandy Alderson.

Trevor’s agent clearly thought they could get away with some shenanigans. Rather than trying to deal with the agent, Alderson over-reacted (in my opinion) and just withdrew the offer. After this blew up in their face (nobody could have predicted that), Sandy then said he’d love to have meetings with anybody and everybody to save face.

Everyone screwed up here. The problem is that the team has completely bungled their PR in recent years, and that’s a serious problem. There was already apathy in the city about the Padres when they were winning at PETCO. After a 99-loss season and an off-season that’s shaping up to be truly ugly, the team has a very real problem on their hands.

I’d love to think that winning solves everything. I really would. But people complained when we were winning with Jake, Trevor, Khalil, and Giles. I can only imagine the reaction when we’re losing without the aforementioned fan favorites.

Phantom - November 17, 2008 reply

Ugh, I hate to retread all this

but didn’t the timeline go:
Offer made, sat for a few weeks
Hoffman files for free agency
Offer withdrawn

You're right

except it finishes with:

Major PR nightmare

I'm awaiting the next SAReport as well

Trevor is the one that says it’s finished :(

Yah

Poor guy playing baseball for a living with tens of millions of dollars in the bank got his feelings hurt. Cry me a river.

At least look at it fairly

they both threw little hissy fits. Trevor’s agent “popping off” is what impacted the withdrawl or the contract.

Exactly

SA overrated, but it is clearly Rick Thurman who’s at fault here.

over-reacted*

Oh, clearly.

totally his fault

Drama - November 17, 2008 reply

An agent popping off is nothing new

and shouldn’t be that big of a deal. I’m not sure how anybody could have seen that that comment could have ignited all of this.

It wasn't just that one comment

Thurman has been jerking the FO around throughout the entire process. Refusing to respond to the contract offer and requesting an audience with Moores, when they knew this wouldn’t make SA or Moores happy, is a pretty big deal. I’m sure other things happened that haven’t been reported to the media. Put yourself into the shoes of SA, i’m pretty sure you’d be tired of all their BS and posturing too. They were using Hoffman’s status as a fan favorite to gain a business advantage.

If this were ANY other player people wouldn’t care because what the FO did was correct in a business sense. And then Thurman and Hoffman play it all innocent like they had no idea what was going to happen. Yah they had no idea. They brought this upon themselves.

I think in this case

if you’re blaming just one side than you are wrong.

Like I said before this was a battle of egos and all they had to do was set some time lines in place and actually communicate with each other.

I agree that both sides are at fault

But I think that Thurman are Hoffman are comparatively more at fault than SA and the Padres FO

email?

a phone call?

KT personally called Trevor

the Fax went to Thurman

"Tell the intern to dust off the ol' 14.4k modem..."

“… we’re sending this mother-effer a FACSIMILE”

that was my point.

i’m resigned with what happened… i’ve given up on hoping for something better.

i just find the fax thing hilarious

Should've used a telegraph

“We’re taking the offer off the table. Stop. We’re sorry. Stop. Thank you for everything you’ve done. Stop. Hope Puerto Rico was fun. Stop.”

i seriously hope they have rotary phones in their office

The title of this post should have been:

jbox instigating

Dalton - November 17, 2008 reply

Rec'd

Sorry

I was out of town, when Trevor responded and it was this or a few pages worth of fanshots.

This was way better

Honestly.

Agreed.

Dalton - November 17, 2008 reply

"Why hasn't there been any more trade talk about Clay Hensley?"

Because no one wants “that guy”?

Also – I always appreciate a reference to The Hills. Thank you. (Clay is Justin Bobby, right?)